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Mud slinging reports.. Arghhh..

Can we say Grow up? And get over it? Christ on wheat toast.. I mean come one people it’s like two kids fighting over who is right and who is better. May god this is just wrong. I have not issue with the French personally and I don’t have any issues with many people cause of the nationality. And I can’t say I dislike French Canadians cause well we can be just as rude as the next person. [Plus it doesn’t help mom reminded me part of our family came from Canada]. Can I please smack around some people for being so silly?



French-Bashing Rolls Off France's Back
By Tom Heneghan
PARIS - It's the diplomatic equivalent of water rolling off a duck's back. Bashing the French does not beat them down -- au contraire, it only makes them more convinced they must be right.
The air has been thick with insult these days, both over the Atlantic and across the Channel, as the United States and Britain pile pressure and scorn on their reluctant ally to support an attack against Iraq.
"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys," "the rat that roared," "the petulant prima donna of realpolitik" -- the epithets flung at France by the U.S. and British media can easily make a reader forget they're talking about America's oldest ally.
U.S. officials have hardly been diplomatic either. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has written off France as part of "old Europe" and said its opposition to emergency NATO measures to boost Turkey's defenses is a disgrace.
If all this was meant to bully France into changing its mind, it's not working.
France's reaction has been to redouble its efforts against a U.S.-led war, blocking NATO war preparations in Turkey and plugging for an extension of United Nations arms inspections that an exasperated Washington insists are now useless.
Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the easy-going prime minister who rarely speaks about foreign policy, shot back last Friday at President Bush's "the game is over" statement by saying: "It's not a game, it's not over."
FRENCH LOGIC
Paris media report on the anti-French vitriol seething through U.S. and British opinion columns with an air of bemused incomprehension, as if to say: What a faux pas! How could those Anglo-Saxons be so unreasonable?
"The French don't have a very good press in the United States these days," the left-wing daily Liberation wrote with sublime understatement Monday.
The conservative daily Le Figaro echoed pride in France's long tradition of logic when it praised Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin's plan for reinforced arms inspections in Iraq.
"Even if it worsens French-American relations, the attempt is in any event quite logical," it observed.
Anti-Americanism has such deep roots in French thinking that no less than three serious books on the subject were published last autumn. Transatlantic bashing hardly counts because the French do not take the bashers seriously.
France, as the new books show, believes it is special because the values of liberty, equality and fraternity proclaimed by the 1789 French Revolution have universal appeal.
But the United States, which declared its independence in 1776 with a similarly universal view of human rights, has long since overtaken France on the world stage.
As the Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot put it in an article echoing the anti-French mood in the United States:
"France has been in decline since, oh, about 1815, and it isn't happy about it. What particularly galls the Gauls is that their rightful place in the world has been usurped by the gauche Americans, with their hamburgers and blue jeans."
BOTH SIDES' WORST SIDES
What's worse, both states are led by men seen by the other side as caricatures of all they can't stand in their partner.
Bush's folksy talk, religious piety and unilateral stands go down in France like nails scratching on a blackboard.
"Bush crystallizes all that we hate in America," Pascal Bruckner, a usually pro-American essayist, wrote last year.
President Jacques Chirac and the flamboyant Villepin embody for Americans a haughty arrogance and spineless opportunism they say is the trademark of French diplomacy.
To rub it in, U.S. commentators recall French collaboration with Nazi Germany and the U.S. and British-led liberation of France -- a memory the Gaullist tradition prefers to play down.
In one of the most venomous articles of recent days, the Wall Street Journal ran a comment by author Christopher Hitchens denouncing Chirac as "a positive monster of conceit ... the abject procurer for Saddam ... the rat that tried to roar."
"Let's hope for Jacques Chirac's sake that he doesn't read the Wall Street Journal and the Elysee Palace forgot to include it in its press review yesterday," Liberation wrote in a short report on the broadside from the U.S. business daily.

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snow_lynx
Feb. 10th, 2003 08:43 am (UTC)
Hearing this over the past few days has made me irate, too.
How dare the Americans denounce France - and GERMANY, too! - for being reluctant? Over 55% of AMERICANS!!!! don't want this war! Why the hell would France and Germany be anxious to get in on our silly pissing contest?

Maybe some day when everyone stops being angry, we'll all see how silly and pointless this all was.

"Young Willie McBride, I can't help wonder why,
Do those lyin' here know why did they die?
And did they believe, when they answered the call,
Did they REALLY believe that this war would end war?

For the sorrow, the suffering, the glory, the pain,
The killing and dying were all done in vain,
For, young Willie McBride, it all happened again,
and again and again and again and again."

-"The Green Fields of France"
twilightfenix
Feb. 10th, 2003 09:37 am (UTC)
Re: Hearing this over the past few days has made me irate, too.
I wounder if Angery Management classes for International conflicts?

Hmmmm
snow_lynx
Feb. 10th, 2003 10:00 am (UTC)
Re: Hearing this over the past few days has made me irate, too.
Or a lollipop and a new toy for George to keep him preoccupied.

It's sad that all politicians are ever remembered for is what they destroyed. They may have destroyed something "bad" and in the end that's good... but I wish the majority of focus was on what they (and we) could create, instead.
mrmazoku
Feb. 10th, 2003 10:21 am (UTC)
On a positive note...
'Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys' would be a great name for a band.
twilightfenix
Feb. 10th, 2003 10:24 am (UTC)
Re: On a positive note...
0.o I guess it would..
xkookykrysx
Feb. 10th, 2003 04:06 pm (UTC)
Cheese-eating surrender monkeys
Cheese-eating surrender monkeys?!?!?

*snort* Monty Python was soooo right in his interpretation of the French.
athosray
Feb. 10th, 2003 10:07 pm (UTC)
But...but....but....
C'mon... its the freaking FRENCH!!! We have to be able to poke fun ( I dunno why... it's genetics, I guess)

In all seriousness, the French do get the short end of the stick in the bashing department,after all, two big time French f-ups that they are always getting grief on....well, lets just say that in '40, NOBODY was standing up to the Blitzkrieg, and in '52, the 3ieme Demi-Brigade was as fine a group of soldiers as anyone could ask, but you dump ANYONE into Dien Bien Phu and they were going to get turned into hash.... us Americans didn't do much better ten years later, after all.

French jokes should be just that.. ha-ha jokes... it is understandably stupid that they are being used as a part of foreiign opinion and diplomacy, especially when one of the more highly regarded, tough military units in the world is the Foreign Legion (still) and French Intelligence is one of the few remaining, balls to the walls, snatch 'em shoot 'em, sift the remains for clues later, outfits in the world. Christ, even the Brits don't do as much snatchgrabshoot as the French....

So feel free to smack peeps all you want, Pheonix, I'll hold, you smack!

-Athos
kangitanka3
Feb. 11th, 2003 10:48 am (UTC)
*smirk*
I always find it amusing how quickly Americans & English alike forgot what complete and total military badasses the French were in past centuries. No, they're not like that now, but still...

I'm a bit torn. I have French heritage (thus the last name), but I was raised English (definitely anti-French, have been since the Middle Ages), so I have a bias. Nothing serious, though.

Love,
~~Kt3: "All of Europe you must do this...well, we're not gonna!"~~
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