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Vietnam Unveils Ancient Artifacts from Excavation
Tue 11 November, 2003 07:24

Link: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3793579§ion=news

By Christina Toh-Pantin

HANOI (Reuters) - Ancient terracotta dragons, phoenix statues and ceramic urns unearthed from a royal compound accidentally discovered where Vietnam's new parliament was being built were put on display for the first time on Tuesday.

In its first international briefing at the site, the Ministry of Information and Culture displayed some of the estimated two million items that have been uncovered since excavation began in December 2002 in the capital Hanoi.

The discovery provided a glimpse into the lives of nobility in Hoang Thanh, or the royal city, that was part of a sixth century town later renamed Thang Long or "ascending dragon."

Deep wells, ornate pavilions and bases for mighty pillars were found along with the more mundane rubbish dumps and tiled drains. Some gold jewelry, decorated swords and a cannon were also retrieved along with skeletal remains from a later period.

Construction on the National Assembly building was halted after workers stumbled upon the items -- some of which date from the seventh century. Experts have determined the site is layered with antiquities from a number of dynasties, including the Le, Ly, Tran and Nguyen.

The discoveries "increase our pride in the nation," Minister of Culture and Information Pham Quang Nghi told reporters and embassy representatives Tuesday.

He was speaking behind two long tables displaying items such as the head of a phoenix, writhing dragons on leaf-shaped ornamental roof tiles and ceramic bowls glazed with flowers and other designs.


The dragon motif, also popular in China as representative of the emperor, may reflect the ancient capital's name.

Legend says that in 1010 when King Ly Cong Uan moved the citadel to the current site of Hanoi he saw a dragon ascending to the clouds, and thus named his capital Thang Long.

Experts say the tally of items could go much higher than the estimated two million once work is finished in three or four months.

Access to the site has been strictly controlled, with foreign media not permitted to visit. Its total area, located near revolutionary leader Ho Chi Minh's mausoleum, is 40,000 square meters (430,400 square feet).

Slides showed nine skeletons discovered in graves. Two were children aged eight or nine, one was a woman estimated to be from the 19th century with three bowls placed around her head, and several others appeared to have met violent ends.

Four skeletons were discovered in one grave, with one having its hands tied behind and fragments of bullets with the bones. They were estimated to be from the 18th or 19th century.

At its peak, up to 1,600 workers were working on the site, said Tong Trung Tin, an academic expert and head of the excavation.

He said Vietnam had not yet asked for foreign help on the huge find. Among the discoveries are bowls from China and Japan.

The location of the new parliament hall has yet to be decided, but the ruling Politburo has said the national conference building that was to be built on the excavation site will be put on the outskirts of the city.

Name: Hoang
Gender: Male
Meaning: Phoenix

How do you like them Apples!


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Nov. 11th, 2003 05:50 am (UTC)
I think you'd like the things I'm doing with phoenix imagery in my Vampire chronicle (since Atlanta's emblem is the ol' flaming peacock *grin*). :~)

Love you!
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Nov. 11th, 2003 05:54 am (UTC)
Re: *grin*
Ooooo.... You know what.. Yah I like that idea alot =D
I want to hear more
Nov. 11th, 2003 06:33 am (UTC)
Re: *grin*
Cool. :~)

Atlanta's emblem is the phoenix because it was largely burned to the ground during the Civil War yet rose from its own ashes during Reconstruction as its people rebuilt it.

Now, in the game (which is set in the World of Darkness' Atlanta, which is like the real one but darker and with supernatural beings in it) a VERY similar cycle is happening -- the city faces invasion and destruction by the dread Sabbat. It remains uncertain whether the phoenix will rise again once the flames of war go out or not -- who will win is very much up in the air.

The city's crest (real and World of Darkness) has a phoenix on it. And the coterie's even seen an immaterial phoenix flying above the skyscrapers of downtown. *evil grin*

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Nov. 11th, 2003 07:13 am (UTC)
Re: *grin*
Umm how Ironic in a way lol but I like the idea alot ^_^
Nov. 11th, 2003 01:52 pm (UTC)
Re: *grin*
Thought you might. :~)

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Nov. 11th, 2003 06:33 am (UTC)
I'm glad they had enough sense to protect the site. And I'm surprised the Vietnam Government let out the info about the way the bodies were killed. I thought they'd want to protect their past and hide the violence.

I still want to be an archaeologist. I wanted to be one before Indiana Jones made it cool.
Nov. 11th, 2003 07:06 am (UTC)
Why protect something that was already known?

I think this will help things out for them as a country and maybe bring in money and culture
Nov. 11th, 2003 06:57 am (UTC)
That's pretty nifty actually.
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