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Welcome to operation Fire and Ice

Thanks to the lovely snow_lynx , we now have the first of many comic strips..
 
For... [insert drum roll here] FIRE AND ICE
 
It's the first one and hopefully we will get better and better ^_^
 
 

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dmo214
Dec. 5th, 2004 10:20 am (UTC)
You know...
As the picture was loading on my computer...
I thought Ice's knees were her boobs.
And I was thinking, "Damn, she dress them pointy."
... then the rest of the picture loaded up.
*Whoops*
snow_lynx
Dec. 5th, 2004 10:41 am (UTC)
LOL, they're actually the bottoms of my shoes... drat, I'm definitely going to have to colour them in future.
dmo214
Dec. 5th, 2004 11:30 am (UTC)
"colour" them... with a "u"
:P
snow_lynx
Dec. 5th, 2004 11:45 am (UTC)
Fine, just for you, then... *COLORS* the comic ;D

*rescans, reassembles*
flemco
Dec. 5th, 2004 12:11 pm (UTC)
Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
I'm posting this without having even peeked at the 2 other prior comments, which are no doubt full of the back-patting "OMG U R TEH ROXXORZ" horseshit that online comics always garner from the moment of conception.

You know me, babe- constructive motherfucking crit where it's needed.

- Is this paintshop or photoshop? Just curious, in order to give better tips.

- CONTRAST. See the following - note that this is about the line art, not the font you use.

In Fig 1, note that the paper is off-color and the word balloons are #000000 White (Also known as Gets Your Teeth Their Whitest White). The lines are also slightly varying in width in a manner that has nothing to do with shading. Thou shalt be flogged with a live gopher.
In Fig 2, (Using PSP 9) I have simply applied one Erode filter, one Blur filter, and one Enhance Brightness Contrast at B: -20 and C: +85. This gives the lines a greater even quality. On to the text:

- The font is a good one, BUT! At that resolution it is very hard to read. I'm not sure if you did the lettering at a higher resolution and resized, or if the font is just not anti-aliased, but it's jaggy and not easily read. You could either up the font size (my recommendation) or choose an easily readable font (Blambot has many).

I do not give the critique because I think you suck - on the contrary. I have seen your art before and think you could do a good comic. It is also my policy to never directly insult any woman that I would bang to death, given the chance and a large enough sack of lubrication vials and latex, battery powered toys. Please do not take offense - However, this is the final and most important question about the strip:

What's it about? Is the idea original? Is the plot worked out in advance? And have you got enough material for, say, 10 strips?

If the answer is "No" to any of these, then I implore you to take corrective action before you go on.

If the answer is "yes", then by god, get a Keen acct and start getting the strips ready.
snow_lynx
Dec. 5th, 2004 03:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
About 95% of this is my fault. She draws, I colour, scan and use *miserable humiliation* MS PAINT... to edit.

I don't have Paintshop or Photoshop. I hope to remedy this tonight. I have rescanned and sharpened and edited and coloured the initial comic now, and yes, Phoenix has the next seven scripts already in her email box ;)

Paint does not have contrast, but I have downloaded Gimp2 and I believe it does, I will just have to figure it out...!

The plot/idea is two combined - a sort of "Ariadne auf Naxos" play within a play type thing - and I think between the two, it's sustainable. We have eight scripts total already and plan to update every Saturday. I'm a miserable webmistress though (having never done this before) and will gladly take ANY advice (and ALL the blame) for what we've got.

flemco
Dec. 5th, 2004 05:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
I heartily recommend Paint Shop 6 and above. Most of FLEM was done in PSP 6. I have since upgraded to PSP 9, which is a dastardly little beast of PURE LOVE.

Gimp is fun, but never felt as tightly made to me.

The very first website advice I have is to get off Angelfire. Both Keenspace and Drunk Duck offer webstrips a place to call home for FREE. I've been on Keen for quite some time, and although I'm not in love with their service, it sure beats a kick in the dick. Their automated update service, when it works, is a godsend.

If you get such an account, the GFoD (who does all our site coding for both FLEM and Two Lumps) can probably give you a bunch of tips and pointers and whatnot.
snow_lynx
Dec. 5th, 2004 06:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
THANK YOU!!!!!

I have Phoenix sign up for a keenspace just about an hour ago, and the autoupdate will be good for us too, since she plans on drawing about ten strips this week and next alone, which will give us a good backlog all the way through February just in case our brains go blank. Which they shouldn't, we both have way too much combined improv training.

I've rescanned the drawn strip and found the brightness/contrast controls and all sorts of things that will help. Of course, it isn't helping that I have never, nor likely will ever, understand the concept of layers, but I'm working on it ;D

Thanks a million, AGAIN.
snow_lynx
Dec. 5th, 2004 09:12 pm (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
Having taken at least half the recommended steps, here is the new product:

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/fire_and_ice/

Thanks again for the help!
flemco
Dec. 6th, 2004 04:52 am (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
BOO YA! That's what I'm talkin about!

If you need to learn aboot layers, I can help there too.
twilightfenix
Dec. 6th, 2004 04:53 am (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
I need to know about layering myself. I am still having issues learning that T_T
snow_lynx
Dec. 6th, 2004 08:14 am (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
Since you offered... ;D

First quick question: Is it possible to make the line art one layer, add another transparent layer for colouring, and then bring the line art layer to the front so that my shading with the airbrush doesn't cover the black lines anywhere?

THANK YOU!
flemco
Dec. 6th, 2004 06:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
That's easy as hell.

I use, as stated before, the lovely Paintshop.

Create one background raster of the line art, then run it through the filters as I noted. Highlight the negative space and delete it, making it transparent.

Create a transparent raster, then use the magic wand tool to select the lines AND the negative space within. Without losing the selection, go to the new layer and color away in the selection.

Then click and drag the original into the foreground.
flemco
Dec. 6th, 2004 07:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
twilightfenix
Dec. 8th, 2004 04:41 am (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
Thanks... Umm We have been having issues signing up for Keens space. It's like the sight is on crack or something..

So redwing went to the forums to find out what is the deal and it said needed user name and pass word..

V_V - I think we are cursed..
twilightfenix
Dec. 6th, 2004 04:54 am (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
:paws at her: You need to send me the rest of the scripts today at the work e mail T_T. I am working until 9 tonight. Soo I will have alot of free time.
snow_lynx
Dec. 6th, 2004 08:14 am (UTC)
Re: Enter the bastard of delicious DOOM
one up, four sent, three or four more on their way. :D
cosmicmonster
Dec. 6th, 2004 10:16 am (UTC)
Well, I like it! The rough art is charming, and I realize you girls are testing the water with this first strip. A few good words from friends would give you the confidence to go on.

At first I wasn't sure how to take the Flem guy's suggestions, but I see where he's coming from now. I think he feels you two can go somewhere with this (the fact that he's devoted so much effort to it is a very big compliment) and is trying to give you tips that will keep the story going and keep you two from losing steam.

I was a big fan of Skippy and Skanker's comic when it was going, and Priss and Zaha's (on Drunk Duck) when it was going, so I'll be one of your first fans now. ^^
twilightfenix
Dec. 6th, 2004 11:19 am (UTC)
Thank you! I am hoping to have more time on this project and be able to produce something that will last longer than a year.
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